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Thursday, September 12, 2019

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Epicureanism: A Very Short Introduction, ch 1-4

ch1
1. For most of history, Epicureanism has conjured what image? Did J.S. Mill share that view?

2. Epicureanism asserted that there's "nothing to be feared or hope for" from what?

3. What Epicurean view did Cicero agree with? What alternative doctrines contrary to Epicurus's did Stoics subscribe to?

4. How did early Christians and Muslims regard Epicureanism?

Discussion Questions

  • Why do you think Epicureanism has so often been errantly confused with "swinishness"? Do we humans have difficulty conceiving a difference between pleasure and hedonism?
  • What kinds of pleasures do you consider most relevant to your happiness? (Or if you prefer, to your good life?) Do you agree with Plato, Aristotle, and the Stoics (contra Epicurus) that sensual pleasures are inferior to those of the mind?
  • COMMENT: “All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.” ― Titus Lucretius Carus, On the Nature of Things: de Rerum Natura
  • COMMENT: “To fear death, then, is foolish, since death is the final and complete annihilation of personal identity, the ultimate release from anxiety and pain.” ― Titus Lucretius Carus, On the Nature of Things... Gutenberg etext
  • What do you make of Epicurus's "piety towards the gods" (according to Diogenes Laertius), in light of the Epicureans' reputation for considering them irrelevant (at most) to our happiness?

ch2 [post your questions please, in comments]
(Thanks, Martin)
1. How did the Epicureans come to believe in the early theory of atoms?

2. What pre-Socratic philosopher deemed the theory of atomism impossible?

3. By what time did an early version of Epicurean atomism become popular?

4. How did Epicureanism eventually become compatible with Christian doctrine?

Discussion Questions

  • Do you think Epicurus was on the right track in thinking of atomic "swerve" as a "basis for free will"? 11 If they swerve randomly and unpredictably, how does that refute or challenge determinism? Or is his point that we can try to emulate their example and be random and unpredictable ourselves? Is random unpredictability really another name for freedom? (Remind me to tell my undergrad pub story...)
  • Do you subscribe (like the Stoics) to belief in a "divine plan for the good of the universe, including human choices and decision"? 12 Is a choice a real choice, if it's foreordained?
  • Does the image of "dust motes dancing in a sunbeam" remind you, as it does me, of Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot ("a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam" 12)? Do you see any parallels between Sagan's cosmic philosophy and Epicureanism? What about the "multiplicity of worlds" hypothesis vs. the view of Christian salvation as limited to "one small corner of the many world universe" etc. 16
  • COMMENT: "Neither incorporeal souls nor bodiless divinities exist, according to the atomist, exist, and magic... is impossible." (14) Is the atomist's world less fearful than the supernaturalist's, and thus more prone to happiness? Is it more hopeful? (17) Less pervaded by "spirits"? (19)
  • Do you find a "top-down imposition of order and harmony" in the world more intuitively plausible than the atomists' bottom-up vision of a universe becoming gradually more ordered and complex as time goes by? 16
  •  Is there any reason, on Epicurean or other grounds, to treat the "underlying reality" of atoms as any more or less real than the world of everyday experience and perception?



ch3 [post your quiz & discussion questions please, in comments]
1. What was the aim of scientific understanding, for Bacon and Descartes? 31

2. What were Locke's and Hume's laments? 33

3. How was Aristotle both correct and incorrect about how the seasons changed? Pg. 27 (Max)

4. What did the Epicureans regard as the most important contribution of philosophy to life? p. 28 (Ed)

Discussion Questions
  • If you believe(d) "His eye is on the sparrow," are you (would you be) happy? 27
  • "Fearfulness promotes vigilance and caution" but may also reflect mistaken beliefs...28 Which prevalent contemporary fears are worth keeping, and which are a mistake? 
  • Do you think "the oppressive anticipation of punishment" 29 in a punitive afterlife is a significant cause of fear and suffering? Is the doctrine of eternal damnation inhumane?
  • Do you think it will ever be possible to discover how and why the structure and activity of atoms in the brain and nervous system give rise to consciousness and the subjective feeling of selfhood?
  • In light of the uncertainty in ongoing medical research (35), is the idea of a "moon shot to cure cancer" (etc.) realistic?

ch4 [post your questions please, in comments]
1. What was Epicurus's view of soul? 38

2. The Epicureans were the target of what ostensibly-Stoic argument for the view that the universe was made for us? 41

3. What do the life cycles of plants and animals indicate? Pg. 39 (Max)

4. What were the two Epicurean ideas that helped bridge the apparent gap between non-existence and the richly populated world, and the gap between matter and life? p. 44 (Ed)


Discussion Questions
  • "The ancient Epicureans did not find the appearance of life overly puzzling." Did they lack imagination or a sense of wonder? Or do we lack an appreciation of the fecundity of nature?
  • Was it plausible, prior to Darwin, to think that "variation and selection" or "time,chance, and the forces of the environment" could produce new species of life? Was the Epicureans ontology "rather thin" compared to other more popular creation accounts? 43
  • What do you think of David Hume's "slight emendation"? Must finite particles, given an infinity of time, inevitably produce everything under the sun? (This sounds a lot like Nietzschean eternal recurrence, btw)
  • What should we say to the "monkeys-with-typewriters" scenario, and generally to the idea that no conceivable expanse of time is sufficient to account for the complexity of our world? 45
  • Do the "loves and desires of animals" (including the human animal) generally stabilize and sustain life? Do they conduce to our happiness? 50 Or do they contribute as much to destability and strife? Was old Empedocles right about love and strife being active principles of life? Do amorous motives really pervade nature, or does amor have nothing to do with it? (What would Schopenhauer say?)
  • Do you agree that generation and dying are symmetrical processes? 51 In other words, do each of us owe the world a death? Do you find beauty and consolation in that perspective? Is death a peaceful sleep and a dispersal of spirit and soul atoms? 


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Cicero's "On the Nature of the Gods"-featuring a dialogue between a Skeptic, a Stoic, and an Epicurean-



On the Nature of the Gods-Gutenberg etext. Report suggestion: each member of your group can defend a different speaker/philosophy as represented in this dialogue.
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Superfans... Are they happy? Are you a fan(atic) of anything trivial (like baseball, Star Trek, a pop musician, etc.)? Are you prepared to fight about it? Has our politics become another fan-platform? Is there a healthy-and-happy way to pursue fandom?

Superfans: A Love Story
From “Star Wars” to “Game of Thrones,” fans have more power than ever to push back. But is fandom becoming as toxic as politics? 


...“Fan” is short for “fanatic,” which comes from the Latin fanaticus, meaning “of or belonging to the temple, a temple servant, a devotee.” The vestal virgins, who maintained the sacred fire of Vesta, the goddess of hearth and home, were the Beyhive of their day. But “fanatic” came to be associated with orgiastic rites and misplaced devotion, even demonic possession, and this may explain why fan behavior is often described using religious terms, such as “worship” and “idol.” (One Trekker at Comic-Con told me that the show “replaced religion for a lot of people.”) NYker

    24 comments:

    1. Chapter 2 QQ's:
      1. How did the Epicureans come to believe in the early theory of atoms?
      2. What pre-Socratic philosopher deemed the theory of atomism impossible?
      3. By what time did an early version of Epicurean atomism become popular?
      4. How did Epicureanism eventually become compatible with Christian doctrine?

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      1. 10, 15, 16, 20

        Collaborative suggestion: let's include relevant page references with our quiz questions, to expedite our in-class review.

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    2. (I thought I was an author but I seem to not be so I'm going to add my participation post here)

      Epicureans and the Atom:

      Chapter 2 focuses on atoms and its' early theories. While Epicurus was not the first atomist (we have Democritus, his teacher Leucippus, and earlier Indian philosophy to credit), he popularized atomism and integrated it into his philosophy. Epicurius deducted that there must be primary elements making up the objects we see around us. The objects he deemed 'a-tomic', meaning 'uncuttable' in Greek, that cannot be seen or sensed, small enough to move around in a void to come together and disperse. Much like the rest of Epicureanism, the theory began as very unpopular. Pre-Socratic philosopher Parmenides argued against the concept as what 'was not' simply could not be. The theory conflicted with the idea of God from the Abraham religions who could not believe in an atom that could not be divided by God himself. Overtime the theory of atoms altered to become more accepted by the religions but did not soar until the Scientific Revolution during the 17th century.

      There's several questions to be asked regarding the Epicurean theory of atoms. On pg 10 he describes the reality of 'nothing coming from nothing' and his adversaries disputing that it could not be because qualities and physical beings could not be generated from nothing. On a primary scale, what makes these atoms 'nothing'? The concept of being uncuttable is justifiable because that was the smallest they could image at the time without knowing about protons, electrons, and quarks, but then does that not constitute 'something'? Where does this cycle end? Staying philosophical, Parmenides had reasonable suspicion to ask what made the atom uncuttable. Obviously we know that even atoms can be 'broken down' into smaller compartments, but then you get stuck in a cycle of what becomes the uncuttable, the building blocks of the universe. This chapter took these pre-scientific notions to apply them to the understanding of the universe. Could there be something truly uncuttable? Without trying to move the discussion into a religious one, could you argue an omnipotent being that moves from the bottom up?

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      1. Regarding your last question, is that not Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is? E.g. a law that exists independent of divinity to slowly refine nature from the bottom up?

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    3. We've not found an ultimately "uncuttable" atom, but is the Epicurean intuition still sound that reality must consist of perpetually reconfigured eternal particles of practically-infinite duration? Is the practical implication that we should enjoy ourselves and be happy while we can?

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    4. Chapter 2 QQ:
      1.Besides Democritus and Leucippus, what other source offered an "earlier tradition of atomism?" P.10

      2.What were the "four basic kinds of motion in the atom" proposed by Epicureans? P.11

      3.How does Lucretius explain the transformation of "an active swarm of atoms into a quite, motionless object with seemingly uniform properties?" P.13

      4.What reasoning did Aristotle use to deny the "atomic theory presented by Epicurus' predecessor Democritus?" P.15

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    5. Commenting upon the quote: “Neither incorporeal souls nor bodiless divnities exist, according to the atomotist, and magic… is impossible.” and weather this philosophy frees one from a life of fear and thus frees one to live a life of happiness.

      Notably, I would argue that regardless of one’s philosophy, fear (and the various forms it takes) will never be completely absent from life. This is not inherently bad, it depends on how you let it affect your life. Fear could take on non-crippling forms like healthy respect (certain professors terrify me but it inspires me to strive to meet their standards), or if we let rule our lives it can spiral into paranoia.

      The atomists do not remove fear, they merely shift the burden to the shoulders of another. Wilson mentions that Epicurus’ theory was a blatant rejection of the more determinism philosophies held by the Stoics and the montheistic religions (pg. 11). Epicurus used his theory on ‘atomic swerve’ as a basis for human free will, which meant that “...the future was genuinely open and that human beings could make choices that affected the future” (pg. 12). This rationale shifts the responsibility of the future from ‘fate’ or higher power to the shoulders of humanity.

      Epicurus’ rejection of determinism gives what many consider a liberating amount of power. By having agency, human civilization can create whatever future it desires… or we can collapse into whatever cesspool we create via negligence. The choice is ours--and it with that decision comes great responsibility. As Shakespere said, “Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown” (Henry IV, Part 2). Any individual who holds great power (like a king) is subject to the tensions that arise from the burden. By advocating for unilateral free will, we--in a way--where the ‘crown’ and we ‘rule’ the future. We can claim full responsibility for the societal achievements, but we must also take responsibility for the most heinous crimes.

      No, the absence of souls and magic does not guarantee a life without fear. The best tools for battling fear are still perseverance, pursuit of truth, and common sense. None of that changes with or without magic.

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      1. For what it's worth, there's an interesting article on the topic of free will and determinism. Here's the relevent portion:

        Not only is the free will concept claimed to be obsolete, but morality and the law are thereby challenged as well. Without a belief in free will, "one deserves no credit for anything... nor ought one to blame others" (Darwin, 1840, p. 27). Similarly the erosion of free will places our legal system in jeopardy. "The law's intuitive support is ultimately grounded in a metaphysically overambitious, libertarian notion of free will... To retain any degree of reality, the criminal justice system will need to adjust accordingly" (Greene & Cohen, 2004, p. 1776). Now, it seems, we face a problem that is not just about the meaning of a term, or about some interesting new scientific findings, but instead we face a problem concerning the moral and legal underpinnings of society.

        Link to full article:
        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/one-among-many/201104/the-free-will-illusion-illusion

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      2. Very well said. I completely agree that the absence of souls doesn't guarantee a fearless life. It does however take away some of the uncertainty and uneasiness associated with death. That being said, I believe fear is one of the most significant catalysts of personal growth and therefore a necessary condition for life.

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    6. Maxwell McConnell
      Quiz Questions and Discussion Points:


      Ch 2

      What was Epicurus’ reasoning as to why he held the belief that our world was/is not unique?
      Pg. 9

      What were the four basic kinds of motion in the atom outlined by the Epicureans? Pg. 11

      Did Epicurus believe in fate? Pg. 12

      Whose theories presented new problems for atomism? Pg. 21

      Who wrote a book in 1830 explaining atom’s unique structural and weights that could not be transmuted? Pg. 22

      DQ- To what extent did the Epicurean method of thinking regarding impact our scientific structure and method understanding of the world commonly held today?

      Ch 3

      How was Aristotle both correct and incorrect about how the seasons changed? Pg. 29

      Ch 4

      What do the life cycles of plants and animals indicate? Pg. 39

      What was Cicero’s argument that our world was created for us? Pg. 41

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    7. Ch. 3 Quiz:
      1. What did the Epicureans regard as the most important contribution of philosophy to life? p. 28
      2. What is corpuscularian theory? pp. 31,33
      Ch. 4 Quiz:
      1. What is Plato’s “demiurge”? p. 40
      2. What were the two Epicurean ideas that helped bridge the apparent gap between non-existence and the richly populated world, and the gap between matter and life? p. 44

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    8. Chapter 3 QQ
      1. How did Aristotle explain celestial and meteorological phenomena? (27)

      Discussion: Do you think "the oppressive anticipation of punishment" 29 in a punitive afterlife is a significant cause of fear and suffering? Is the doctrine of eternal damnation inhumane?

      The 'Hellfire and Brimestone' approach to the Bible provides no benefit to the listener and only causes more suffering. It's canon in pretty much every religion that humans are flawed and capable of sin. When exposed to that excessive fear of punishment, I would find it hard to live a happy life with the threat of external damnation at the end of my rope. Ethically speaking, the eternal damnation approach does more harm than good; however most theistic religions have a form of eternal damnation that is hard to be removed from.

      Ch 4
      1. What was the Lucretian view of the amorous nature of man? (50)

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      1. Eternal damnation almost cannot be removed from a religion. The thought of eternal damnation is what urges the followers to abide by the rules. In Buddhism, unlike Christianity, you can save yourself from eternal damnation by the use of karma. One good thing could counteract the bad thing. Yet, in Christianity, from my knowledge, once you sin, you are the path to eternal damnation. I find the thought of eternal damnation and interesting one, because who could know the reality of what happens after death? Also why worry your whole life about doing good to save yourself from damnation? Can you actually be happy that way?

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      2. Yes and no. While, the idea of Hell and eternal suffering as punishment for one's sins are a central doctrine, the 'turn or burn' approach is frowned upon in most Christian circles (I attend a non-denominational church, with a limited background in Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, and Church of Christ denominations). I try to steer clear of bringing religion into the discussion, but I feel as though I can shed some light here regarding the questions above.

        At its core, yes, one sin does condemn an individual to Hell (in case you're curious, see James 2:10, Romans 3:23, 6:23 are places where this idea is mentioned). But theologians rarely frame the entire religion on that one fact. We all have heard the pitch where we need to just trust in Jesus to be saved (Acts 16:31), but the technical reason that this “works” is because by dying Jesus paid the price of our sins (John 316, 1 Peter 2:24, and Isaiah 53:5-6) and the act of faith is trusting that God would consider the sacrifice of his son sufficient payment for our sins. The doctrine of Damnation is the doctrine that our actions have lasting consequences, and that we should be humbled by the fact that God would send his Son to pay for our actions (Romans 5:8). After that initial act of trust, the threat of Hell is gone and they teach that nothing one can do will separate you from the benefits of trust (Romans 8:31-39, John 10:28-29). Please note that even though I submit that theologians do not typically endorse the hellfire and brimstone approach, there are denominations that do rely on this rhetoric.

        So in theory, a Christian would not see the threat of Damnation hanging over every choice because--according to them--the death of Christ has already covered their sin and you are on a different path. Thus, one would spend their whole life trying to good to save oneself from Hell. In fact, many teach that we are incapable of saving ourselves despite our best efforts (Ephesian 2:8-9)! Rather than spend each day worrying about a cosmic scale that weighs each and every decision, theologians will argue that we should be more focused on an interpersonal relationship with God and good deeds will be the product of that lifestyle (Galatians 5:13-26).

        I'm sorry for the lengthy post, but I hope that provides insigth on how the idea of erternal damnation fits in with Christian thinking. There are people out there who can articulate these ideas better than me, but I tried to explain it as I understand it. Cheers!

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    9. Ch 3 QQ
      1. What problem did the Epicureans face with their programme of explaination? (30)

      2. According to Epicurus, we can only have certain knowledge of what?(36)

      Ch 4 QQ
      1. Which themes do not belong to Epicurean philosophy? (50)

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    10. An interesting aspect of Epicureans is the fact that they included women from the class of hetairai. This translated into the English word of "courtesans". These women either refused marriage or were not Athenian citizens whom could not marry Athenians. (pg 5) In the time period that Epicurus lived this engagement of the sexes is quite liberal. It is no wonder that the critics thought of them only as pleasure-seeking. This liberalism allowed women to speak freely in a society that was quite restrictive on what they could and could not do. This leads me to the question of why did Epicurus include these women in the Epicurean school? In contrast, why did other schools not allow this? What exactly were the cultural values and beliefs towards women in this period?

      The "bottom up" and "top down" arguments within Chapter 2 bring up interesting differences. One that atoms are what created the mountains, rivers, and humans. The other contradicting this view, suggesting that an almighty being is the one who created these atoms and was the reason for mountains and humans existence (pg 9 and 19). This leads me to the question, how does ones religion influence science? Can someone who is extremely religious detach oneself from those beliefs too be objective within science? Such as Pierre Gassendi who suggests that the Epicurean atoms theory can be fused together with the Christian doctrine (pg 20). They used the argument that the divine creator gave life to these atoms, thus giving life to us. It makes me wonder can religion actually be influenced with scientific thought without downplaying or disillusioning the results? In general, the Epicurean philosophy and theories have begun to make me wonder about my own perspective on life.

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      1. As a deeply religious person (non-denominational Christian), this precise question is one I have struggled with. How does one be objective and rational, especially when the outcome could potentially render my personal beliefs incorrect? Here are a couple of observations that I have arrived at, and I hope they can provide insight to your question:

        1-Unprovable assumptions. There more I read in academia, the more I see the prevalence of unprovable assumptions. Take geography, for example, simple concepts like a line or a point have properties that we assume to be, but we haven't found a mathematical definition for. The term for these ideas is “postulates.” All of Euclid’s geometry--which is the foundation for our modern geometry--is based on five postulates. We still don’t really know the precise property of gravity or light. Yes, we can measure their behaviors, but we don’t know the WHY behind them. All of that to say, science and religion both boil down to certain facts that we can't really prove. So in that way, it’s hard to be 100% objective because there is always a percentage of the information on hand that is taken at face value.

        2-The scientific process. We typically assume that science can prove a hypothesis true, but it is more complex than that. A dictionary definition of science is “the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment” (Oxford). A scientist makes a guess about an outcome, and then observes the experiment to see if they were correct. Science is not about proving a law true, but creating the best explanation for a process until proven wrong. It’s as much about the process of observation and it is about the outcome.

        If we consider observations 1 and 2 to be reasonable, then we can propose the following impact: if science and theology both start with unprovable assumptions, and then seek to explain a phenomenon via observing known facts, then neither field is free of subjectivity and bias. Though, to be fair, you see more dogmatism when it comes to religion--individuals have a more personal stake in whether God is real or not than if light is a beam or a wave--but you will still have experts view the facts of hand through the lens of their personal understanding of how the universe works.

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    11. QQ Chapter 4

      What two Epicurean ideas helped bridge the gap between the nonexistent world and the heavily populated?

      What does Epicurus state about the soul?

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    12. Chapter 3 QQ:
      1. Where does the word "disaster" come from, and what does it mean? p.28
      2. What was driving Descartes during the beginnings of the Scientific Revolution? p.32

      Chapter 4 QQ:
      1. What were Lucretius' terms for 'atomus' or 'corpusculum'? p. 39
      2. In the Judeo-Christian Bible what did all creation originate from? p.41

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    13. Do you think "the oppressive anticipation of punishment" 29 in a punitive afterlife is a significant cause of fear and suffering? Is the doctrine of eternal damnation inhumane?
      I think that it could cause someone to get sucked into a constant panick of whats going on around them and what they could do to prevent this potential cause of pain; however, I don't think that that sort of view on the world around us is right or healthy in one's pursuit of happiness.

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    14. "The ancient Epicureans did not find the appearance of life overly puzzling." Did they lack imagination or a sense of wonder? Or do we lack an appreciation of the fecundity of nature?

      I'm not so sure that their view of life not being puzzling is due to the fact of imagination or intelligence but rather viewing life in a simplistic way that most people do not. I feel a good example of this is going on a hike in a beautiful, serene location with someone you enjoy. The feeling one usually gets is one of satisfaction, like this is where they are supposed to be at that exact time with nothing but the beauty of nature and the presence of a loved one giving you such feelings. I see this as simple and can equate this to how the ancient epicureans must of felt about the world.

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    15. In light of the uncertainty in ongoing medical research (35), is the idea of a "moon shot to cure cancer" (etc.) realistic?

      I think that although it might not seem realistic it does not mean that it is not worth trying to achieve. Much like those who are depressed don't feel as though being or achieving a happy life is realistic, such things are still worth while in pursuing.

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    16. COMMENT: “All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.”

      I really like this quote because accurately articulates a distinction of how religion is perceived and interacted with in today's society. To the ignorant, religion provides "enough" for a significant amount of the population. No matter which religion, they see it as their catch-all and "center". The politicians recognize this of the ignorant and see religion as an opportunity or tool that can be utilized to help further their agenda in what ever way they so choose. As ironic as it is, some fail to see that if done correctly, politics and religion can go together like bread and butter. For them it's something to be exploited for their benefit. The philosopher on the other hand understands how both the ignorant and the political view religion. They understand that there is more to life than religion; that it isn't the answer to all of our questions, for some it shouldn't be the center of their life, and that it's used to take advantage of others.

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