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Wednesday, October 23, 2013

Virtue and Happiness--Group 3

     We started Tuesday's discussion with a suggestion from Thoreau to "simplify, simplify, simplify."  Then on to the focus of Chapter 5, morality and its connection to happiness. Questions about morality are fundamental to philosophy.  We discussed "what is moral." and "why be moral." There was mention of the Bodhisattva's commitment to free all sentient beings, and Plato's enlightened philosopher's return to the cave to free those left behind. The final thought was to educate but not impose enlightenment.

     Chapter 6 is titled Virtue and Happiness.  Flanagan compares the ethics of Aristotle with those of Buddhism.  He also looks at the importance of virtue relative to happiness.

     FQ:  What is Aristotle's Law (AL)?   Virtue is a necessary condition for happiness.  (p.170)

     And just for fun :

7 comments:

  1. Hooray for Steely Dan! What a wonderful way of starting my afternoon--thanks for sharing, Kathy :)

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  2. Yes, The Aristotle Law is that virtue is a necessary condition for happiness, but only when coupled with reason. The other part of that law being that; normally, aside from any pre-dispositions, virtue and reason are sufficient in and of themselves to produce happiness.

    Our discussion in class made me think of raising children, we can enlighten our children to our own morals, and standards for what is good or bad, but we can't make them adopt those same morals and standards. Their morals and standards in their adult life will be a version of ours, but altered to their own experiences and lessons. We can't make people see things the way that we do, especially if they are viewing things from an entirely different vantage point.

    DC: Flanagan discusses the difference between the Aristotle definition of virtue, and the Buddhist definition.

    Aristotle- justice, honesty, courage, temperance, generosity, magnanimity, friendliness, and wittiness

    Buddhist- virtue= compassion plus lovingkindness

    Flanagan points out that generosity and magnanimity cannot be on Aristotle's list, because they are not a means to an end, but rather motivated by compassion and lovingkindness.

    Do you think that you have to be compassionate to be generous? Or love someone to display kindness? I believe that he picked these two because they more closely relate to the Buddhist definition, indicating a fine line between it and Aristotle's; however, while compassion and lovingkindness are often connected with Aristotle's list of virtues, I'm not sure if they have to be present. You don't have to show compassion, or love anyone or anything to show justice, honesty, courage, temperance, friendliness, or wittiness... you might just choose to exemplify those qualities for reasons outside of compassion and love. Like we discussed in class yesterday, you may choose to be virtuous simply because you wish everyone was.

    FQ: What is zeal? -Flanagan quotes Santideva (The Bodhisattva's Way of Life) (PG.165)
    Answer- enthusiasm for virtue

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  3. DQ: how strong is the connection between virtue and happiness?
    FQ: according to Flanagan, what are the three necessary conditions for happiness in terms of Budddhism?
    Answer: virtue, wisdom and mindfulness.

    Comment about last class: I honestly do not feel as if there is any true altruism. I don't feel as if anyone does something without some benefit to themselves, whether they consciously or unconsciously know it while attempting the action. I think people can certainly get close to absolute altruism, but never actually there.

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  4. FQ: What's the difference between "AL" and "BL" virtues?
    Answer: "AL" virtue is the normal and reliable cause of happiness through reason.
    "BL" virtue is the normal and reliable cause of happiness through wisdom, meditation, and mindfulness.

    DQ:How does one go about acquiring mindfulness (Different for everyone)?

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  5. http://science.time.com/2013/10/22/the-united-states-of-attitude-an-interactive-guide-to-americas-moods/

    This is a little quiz you can take that shows where you should live as far as character traits. Pretty interesting and relevant

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